Dashboard Confessional, full set in Nashville, 2000
It took a few tries, but Chris and I finally found time to chat for my podcast while he was working on a Twin Forks release in 2013 or 2014, during what seemed like a long press day. As his staff sat and waited on their phones across the room, Chris and I tried to make sense of the scene, the music of the moment, and what he wanted to do next. This was before he had reunited Dashboard Confessional, so when I mentioned the “emo revival" happening at the time, he was intrigued and excited. After recording the podcast episode, it was nice to reconnect and see that he was still eager to learn and open to what was happening around him. He's always been a very warm dude.
Just last year, during my first lonely week at a new job, I was walking past a meeting, when I saw him pop up amongst the group. He ran out to give me a hug and a hello before returning to the meeting with a group of people -- most of which ended up being my new coworkers. Not a bad way to start at a new gig. Thanks, Chris.
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We join Mullen and Carrabba mid-conversation...
MULLEN: That's cool. And, I mean, definitely that moment, it was felt across the scene, when that record was released. And people started talking and you were on hardcore shows, you were playing these tours. Do you remember, sort of, "holy shit?”
CARRABBA: They were only hardcore shows I did because I didn't know that if you had an acoustic guitar you're supposed to play at a coffee shop. The fuck would I ever go to a coffee shop, you know? I didn't know.
MULLEN: You played with Snapcase.
CARRABBA: Okay, let's talk about that tour, Snapcase, H20, and Face to Face.
MULLEN: That's a great tour.
CARRABBA: And so, Trevor, from Face to Face said, “I want this kid on tour,” Toby from H20 said “I want this kid on this tour.” These were the people I believed in, that I looked up to and they were inviting me up to this thing, and it was like, I know I'm getting to get hit on this. But they're up there doing what they believe in, with their conviction. And there's no reason I shouldn't be up there, just because stylistically it's different. There's plenty of reason. But in my youth, I thought, I'm invited by the guys that are doing the show. Their fans, maybe some of them are like the guy in the band. I didn't think I was going to cross, and I didn't come across to everybody. All I remember Trevor saying was, “you're going to get beat up, and you're going to get change thrown at you, but if you're lucky it's going to be more than you're getting paid tonight so pick up the change.” And I picked up the change. I'd get dings in my guitar, and in my face. And people hated it. I just keep playing. And the by the end of the show, I think that they understood, through listening to the song, something in the structure of the songs, maybe if I were to do this— the kid in the crowd, or the dude in the crowd, as the case was—that's kind of what I would do. So, it slowly morphed over the course of the show. And I would really be able to tell because I was selling records in the end. I'd gone from getting change thrown at me to people coming and buying the record. And it was a little tough. Then the guys would just rally, I remember Toby would wear a Dashboard shirt every night. And it was a big, "Fuck you, guys!" This is the band I care about seeing tonight. You care about seeing us and I care about seeing him. It was like a give the kid a chance kind of moment.
MULLEN: So many of those shows where it was a hardcore band with a band that was really quiet, like Mineral, and then it would be a harder band, it was okay. It wasn't these packaged, everything must sound, with a breakdown at 1:32 in the song. It didn't have to do that.
CARRABBA: No, it didn't, and I'm glad you brought up Mineral, because that was definitely a show that I saw that gave me the confidence to do my own version of that, be the guy that was different. I can't recall who they were out with but they were heavy bands, straight up heavy bands, and then there was Mineral. And they were the only band everybody left talking about. And I thought, that wasn't my goal, you've got to win the show, but it was like, wow, the fact that they were brave, made them more inclusive. It didn't push them away in the end. In the beginning, I remember seeing the quarters fly at those guys, but then three of four songs in, it's like, this is a whole new, this is a gift, I could go down a rabbit-hole because of this band. And then you would.
MULLEN: But it's connected. I think that metal, hardcore, post-hardcore, and then went to emo, there was that lineage. You can see the path. I think there was some people that were like well, it's only supposed to be this. But if you were watching it all made sense.