The next generation: Guilt Trip, Oversize and unpeople
Loz and Sean remember precious little of their own 20th birthday celebrations, guessing they were “probably on tour and probably on coke.” When it comes to their own, Sean is less fussed than Loz about making a fuss about those occasions. The collective two-decade mark was a milestone that crept up on Sleeps, not one that they actively worked towards.
“Twenty years forces you to take a step back and look into everything you've actually achieved, because the goalposts always move and you're like, ‘What can we do next?’” says Loz.
“We didn't even consider another life,” points out Sean. “Unspoken, didn't even have to talk about it. Now you look back, we just went for 20 years, and we did not stop.”
“That's almost a bit of a dying breed, aside from maybe in hardcore,” suggests Loz. “It's always been important to me to bring bands into Doncaster, because the way that streaming is going takes out the grassroots venue. Something blows up online, and then the band goes, ‘We can already do a 3,000-cap room.’”
“People saw us and enjoyed what they saw, not [because of] what other people said online, which is what happens these days,” says Sean.
There’s no undertone of jealousy in this argument. In fact, While She Sleeps assure us that they wouldn’t have changed a thing, if they could start all over again. A classic tale of the journey trumping the destination, Sleeps now understand they will be one of the last bands who lived to tell that story, throwing the kitchen sink at their dream for half their lives.
“I wouldn’t change owt,” says Loz in his big Yorkshire accent. “Being young, jumping in a van, having a campfire and looking up at the stars – it's been a huge part of the enjoyment of what we've done.”
“We tasted life without the internet, and someone knocking at your door: ‘You coming out to play?”” reminisces Sean. “Those times are gone. We toured for 20 years until we actually made something of ourselves. That's not gonna be heard of anymore. You're gonna be hot or you're not, really.”
“Limp Bizkit said it…” agrees Loz with a smirk, testing how quickly K! has memorised the chorus to Making Love To Morgan Wallen.