The result of this is He’s So Good, Trash Boat’s thrilling new single and one that proudly stands at odds with the introspection that characterised the band’s earlier material. As they enter a bold, outward-facing new era, we catch up with Tobi to discuss the origins of He’s So Good, his views on sexuality, gender and identity, and what the future holds for one of Britain’s most intelligent punk outfits…
What was the inspiration behind He’s So Good?
“I met someone on the road who I got to know really intensely over the course of a week. We hung out every night and talked for hours – it was that thing where you skip any pretence and just open up straight away because you get each other. I learned from him that being a gay man where he grew up, he felt like he couldn’t come out to his parents and be himself, because he knew he wouldn’t be accepted. He had girlfriends throughout his time in school but felt like he couldn’t show any affection towards them, and emotionally he felt completely alone, to the extent that he didn’t have his first kiss until he was 27. He lived in a rural area of the U.S. where it’s not acceptable to be anything other than the nuclear family norm, and it got me thinking about his parents and my own, and how lucky I am, because my parents have always been awesome about my sexuality – it’s just a non-issue to them. I never even felt the need to come out to my parents as a non-heterosexual person; my brother is gay, my uncle is gay, my cousin is gay, I’m like half-gay… in fact, I wouldn’t even pigeonhole myself. I’m not straight, put it that way.
“So I was thinking about this guy’s parents, and I imagined meeting them in person with him and how they probably would’ve been really nice to me and he’d have been respectful to them, but their attitude towards his sexuality meant that on a fundamental level he wasn’t getting that respect in return. It made me really angry to imagine how some people could inflict their own ignorance on someone they’re meant to be guiding. I really find that kind of thing to be a slippery, horrible form of cowardice. These people think it’s their God-given right to be an insufferable c**t, and hide behind obscure references to some higher authority, when really all they want to say is, ‘I don’t like the way you are, and I’d change you if I could.’
“I wanted to put all that into a song, and for the people who’ve experienced this sort of behaviour to know it’s a song written with them in mind. I want people to be able to use this topic as a point of pride, and allow the music to make them feel confident and heard. This is about reminding people that they’re not responsible for other people’s prejudices. When I think about sexuality, I consider it to be something that’s a transcendental part of human identity – all it really means is to be known. It’s not complicated, and it’s only made that way when people project their own insecurities onto others. Imagine how great it would be if everyone was allowed to just be happy, get on with their lives, present in whichever way they see fit and love whoever they want without someone else trying to change them.”